How's everyone doing so far?

[JimmyChen]

Just want to compare my performance with fellow members.
I'm making about $200 per month from Adsense right now. :)

[mfoster7]

It is only in the past 4-5 weeks that I've been getting my sites planted out there and submitting articles & site information to the various directories. So I'll be happy when I reach your financial milestone. :-)

[Techie]

Congrats Idq!

[gtrusler]

IDQ,

I'm glad you started this thread. I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm making closer to $400 a month in Adsense, but I think that's a misleading number. I've got 8-9 sites that are in various stages of promotion and none of them are making $10 a day yet. That's the only number I'm concerned with. I'm trying to focus on the $10 a day per site and the monthly income should take care of itself. Right now, 2 or 3 of my sites do $4-6 a day, a few more do $1-2, and a couple are making almost nothing - so I have a way to go.

Maybe a better question is, "Do you have sites that are averaging $10 a day yet?"

Graydon

[jrice5773]

idq,

I agree that this is a great thread. I'm curious how many Adsense enabled sites you have up that are contributing to the $200 and how long they have been up and running.

Thanks,

Jim

[JimmyChen]

IDQ,

I'm glad you started this thread. I've been wondering the same thing myself. I'm making closer to $400 a month in Adsense, but I think that's a misleading number. I've got 8-9 sites that are in various stages of promotion and none of them are making $10 a day yet. That's the only number I'm concerned with. I'm trying to focus on the $10 a day per site and the monthly income should take care of itself. Right now, 2 or 3 of my sites do $4-6 a day, a few more do $1-2, and a couple are making almost nothing - so I have a way to go.

Maybe a better question is, "Do you have sites that are averaging $10 a day yet?"

Graydon

Graydon,

You just hit the spot. The reason why I started this thread is to find out how many people have reached the $10 a day Tier C sites. From my experience right now, you need at least 3 months to achieve that. I have 5 Adsense sites only. I kind of stop creating more Adsense sites because I did not see any result. Then something happened.. After 3 months, my Adsense sites beginning to reach the 1st page of Google! Now I will focus on promoting these sites more. I have (1) site making $10 a day now at last. :)

[gtrusler]

IDQ,

I appreciate the follow up message. I kind of did the same thing. I built several sites and then slowed down when I didn't see them producing as I expected. I recently started promoting them heavily again and I'm hoping to see my results start to improve.

Graydon

[Aotearoa]

Hi folks

It is interesting to see someone else mention the magic "3 months" delay before noticeable Adsense results start to appear. That is my experience too with the sites i have built before joining AGWP - and yes - i too slowed promotion of those sites thinking i was getting disappointing results (that initial 3 month lag can be quite demoralising - so beware lol). The other thing i have learned is that, after that 3 month lead in period, even my most "sad and pathetic" pages that i have built still manage to get daily clicks - and that was with zero promotion - so imagine, with some high paying keywords and some serious promotion, what is achievable.

Now that i have joined this group and i understand so much more about finding high paying keywords - I now know where i went wrong in the past (pre AGWP) and how i can turn that around.

I have been wading through "acres" of keywords tonight - and - have found some amazing high paying niches - I have struggled over the last month with the whole keyword thing because i KNEW i had to "get it down" this time - this has been where i have always gone wrong in the past.

I tried all the 3 main keyword providers until i found the one that i felt really comfortable with that i could adapt to meet Sydney's criteria with the most ease. After trying both paid versions of Wordtracker and Keyword Discovery - I have settled on Keyword Country which is just so easy to use and so versatile. It makes finding broader niches a breeze and then those can be fine tuned with Sydney's criteria in one easy step and copied straight to an excel spreadsheet.

Using the "Adsense Payout Feature" search i was able to plug in the $2-$10 range and work backwards through Sydney's criteria. Doing it this way I was able to select 34 broader high paying niches and then filter those down further to the 10 super hot niches i want to start working with over the next 2 months. At least 3 of those 10 niches had 40-60 "IDEAL" keywords in each - i couldn't believe how easily i found them - up to now I was struggling to find niches with even 5-10 Ideal keywords with the other keyword providers.

After messing around with the other two keyword suppliers and getting wholly frustrated for two weeks - i have achieved these results in just 3 days. I certainly recommend taking a trial of Keyword Country - it's amazing.

So now I can move on and start the page building at last lol.....

[herrdude]

Thank you all for your comments. I also started five adsense sites before learning Sydney's method and was having dismal results, like $20 per month. I stopped working on them back in May and let them sit. By August they started to produce a little bit more. Then I started to apply Sydney's method and last month I earned $126.

I was listening to a comment Sydney made in a recording about article schedule, that this is a numbers game and that we need to be constantly cranking out new sites. I had lost focus on that fact.

[mfoster7]

Hi Brett. Thank you for the information you provided about Keyword Country. I had not heard of it before, so I spent some time looking over their web site and their videos. The guy voicing the videos is pretty unbearable :eek: but the information is interesting. Very expensive ($500/year), but interesting.

I have sent their support a few preliminary questions about the source of their data, how far back that data goes, and whether they have a "basket" feature like WordTracker where you can temporarily store the keyword phrases you are presented from WT and interested in subsequent analysis for competition data.

In the meantime, I'm wondering if you have a written process of your own (using Keyword Country) that you might be willing to share in this forum. And does your process "convert" Keyword Country search output to Sydney's WordTracker and Adword Traffic Estimator Triple Crown standards (< 25,000 competitors, > 30 daily searches, $2-10 PPC)?

By "convert", I have in mind, for example, the following is a statement from Keyword Country about their competition search criteria:

Inanchor Intitle formula is used to determine this figure and is regarded as the most precise formula ever devised to measure competition.

Generally the number of search results returned by Search Engines are taken as the number of pages competing on a keyword. But those web masters who have used or just dumped your keyword in the corner of their page are not competing against you but SE will still list them. A true competitor targeting a webpage with a certain keyword, tends to include that keyword in the title and the anchor text that links to that webpage. And these are exact number of pages that are using these keywords in their Title text and Anchor Text.
Presumably WordTracker does not provide competition data that way. If that's true, then the competition results need to be adjusted in some way so that we are comparing apples to apples. If one of the Triple Crown criteria is a keyword phrase having less than 25,000 competitors as presented from WordTracker, and Keyword Country cuts out a large number of "junk competitors" that WordTracker does not, then a corresponding Keyword Country Triple Crown number would be much less than 25,000. Perhaps 20,000 instead? 10,000? Do you have any feel for what the "converted right" competition numbers would be in Keyword Country?

The same basic question applies to search numbers. WordTracker and Keyword Country have their own means of pulling search numbers. The results will be somewhat different. First you must divide the Keyword Country monthly search results by 30 (or 31?) to get a daily estimate. Then compare that number against the number presented by WordTracker.

Perhaps a simpler way of asking this question is the following. Sydney has said a number of times that there is nothing magic about her recommended Triple Crown numbers. They produce successful results for her. In your use of Keyword Country, what are the winning combination of search results, competition, and CPC (or ave. CPC) and any other search results categories that you use to determine keyword phrase that you will use on your web site?

Thank you!

[Aotearoa]

NOTE - I had technical problems while trying to post this just now - the only way i could get it to post was to remove all the quotes from your previous post - so the "flow" might seem a little odd in places - sorry - pieces have been "chopped out".

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Hi Mike - Keyword Country doesn't seem to have the high profile of the other two serious KW providers for some reason - why - I'm not sure - maybe it is "new kid on the block" ? (hope that's not a bad thing). I became familiar with KC through a well regarded keyword tool review site called Keyword Workshop (http://www.keywordworkshop.com/) by Jay Stockwell - they put KC as best for Adsense publishers and I have to agree with them i feel - that's why i finally tried it - on their recommendation.

BTW - agree with you about the horrible looking homepage and the video voiceover than sounds like advertising speak from the 1950's!

I'm not certain of how far back they collect their data but i do know that both the google and overture search results they use are for within the last month. Whether that info is "averaged" over a period of say the last year like Keyword Discovery - I can't be sure. I believe Wordtracker use results for the previous 3 months if I'm correct.

As for a "basket" - yes they have one - which i was using - but now I just copy directly off the main search window as that way i can get ALL the categories of data including the number of Adwords sponsors which the basket was excluding for some strange reason. I like to know how many sponsors are active on a keyword to gauge it's genuineness. This is basic clipboard c & P. Note: unlike wordtracker you can't save your work and comeback later to continue - when you close the keyword viewer all work is lost - so you need to c & p it to a spreadsheet before closing and save it on your computer. No big deal.

I haven't got the process written down anywhere as such to share - but i can briefly describe what i did here.

KC allows you to plug in Adwords dollar values as you would have seen in one of the videos on their home page at www.keywordcountry.com. They also discuss the importance of monitoring the "Average CPC" value of the adwords clicks and not just the "CPC" which can sometimes mislead as to the actual payout you will get from Google on a particular KW - so i decided i would do a very broad search for potential niches that fell in both the CPC AND AvCPC range of $2 to $10 as per Sydney. This still brought in thousands of potential niche topics (5000+ - way more than i could handle or copy to xls) so i sorted them by "R/S ratio" - lowest to highest. Because there were so many - i made an arbitrary decision not to consider any KWs with a R/S ratio greater than 1. This culled the Kws down to around 100 from memory - i then finetuned those numbers looking for any unappealing topics or weird looking numbers that i felt suspicious of. Once that was done i ended up with 41 hot topics ranked by "average cpc" - highest to lowest.

I have spent the last three days searching all 41 broad topics more deeply - and have come up with many "ideal" kws in each topic. In many cases these topics had enough quality higher value kws to meet the full 300 that Sydney recommends as "enough" - in other words all the words i found under 100,000 searches was more than enough to fill all 3 categories Ideal, SE, & eBay. Very cool.

Not all 41 made the final grade for a number of reasons - i was only wanting 10 good topics to get me started - i culled on personal tastes, odd search values, too hot a topic in my opinion, difficulty finding content maybe, low adwords sponsorship, low adwords clicks per month (data which is also provided - not to be confused with CPC and AvCPC), etc, etc.

hope all of this makes some sense. I think once you actually use KC - my "logic" might be clearer as KC provides a wealth of data compared to the others.



Yes - Mike - I understand what you are getting at. KC allows you to do Sydney's criteria analysis in reverse don't forget - narrowing the field by using her $2-$10 range right from the beginning. So you already have a vast selection of $2-$10 keywords to selcect from long before you start applying her search and competition criteria - so i didn't worry about fine tuning the 25000 - but i did adjust the 30+ rule to 900+ (being monthly google search results).

I focused a lot of attention on the mix between "CPC" and "averageCPC" and tried to select those kw that had the highest avCPC - at the same time using sensible judgement. In essence, I stuck to Sydney's criteria at all times - i just did it in reverse and added one further criteria which was "avCPC" to further fine tune.

I can just sense that i am not explaining this very well - but in my own mind I feel i have got it right - i guess my results will be the true test huh!

Hope you can make some sense of it all Mike...

Best ... Brett

[mfoster7]

Hi Brett. Thank you very much for taking the time to explain your method. Having sat through the Keyword Country videos (ugh!), the information you provided makes sense.

It sounds like you may be just getting started with Keyword Country yourself, so I wouldn't necessary expect at this point you'd have a personal step-by-step procedure documented. But that's what I try to do so that my feeble mind doesn't need to recall every individual step each time I use the tool. :rolleyes: If Keyword Country really is that good, it would be worth an evaluation. But the $500/year price tag... whew! At least they offer a 30-day money back guarantee.

Do they offer any "coupons" to entice new people in?

In the meantime, in my post yesterday I mentioned that I had sent 3 questions to their support staff. I received a response this moring. It is just below.

Thanks again, Brett!

Keyword Country support responses:

Answer. 1. We show 10 different columns in KC Database against each keyword. Each Column is fetched from various sources. Some columns are even calculated by taking input from multiple sources.

Here is a list of all the 10 columns that we show against each keyword, and their Source ::


CPC (Cost Per Click): Google Adwords
Clicks per month: Google Adwords
Advertisers: Google Adwords
Average CPC: Google Adwords and tedious calculations
Competition: Google
Google Traffic Estimates: Google and other sources (Estimated)
Overture Traffic Estimates: Overture
R/S Ratio: Google and other sources (Calculated)
KEI Analysis: Google and other sources (Calculated)
Ratings: Google Adwords


Answer. 2. Data of most columns are updated EVERY 10-days. And some of the columns are updated every month on a regular basis.

Answer.3. KC does have a "Keyword Basket" feature where you are able to accumulate 1000s of keywords. When you add keywords to basket.. those keywords already have "# of Searches" column against them.

By the way, we have recently launched KC5 beta. It is having many lucrative features like Plug-in which can automate your business drastically. You can see more features at http://www.keywordcountry.com/beta/.

[Aotearoa]

Good to see they got back to you so quickly - the customer support i have needed has been fast and helpful too.

I didn't realise they had the beta site - i checked it out - they are going to have some amazing features within the medium term which are really going to give the other providers a run for their money longterm - and 14 million kw database too - wow!

Mike - do you realise that you can buy both one day, one week and one month - you don't have to pay the full $500 per annum. I'm just on one month currently - if you choose less than one month - you can't do blank searching in the advanced section but that is not a big deal.

Yes - you're right - i am new to KC - and I'm sure i could use it more efficiently - I determined to get the best out of it over time.

Maybe you'll be at the meeting in a couple of hours....???

Brett

[mfoster7]

Hi Brett. I did see their $75/month cost, but $500/year is certainly the more enticing per month cost if the product really is that good. And I've changed my KW search timing process so that now instead of doing so much KW research in advance and getting maybe a dozen sets of site KWs in advance, I'm now doing research closer to the time that I'm ready to begin new sites. That's because the searches and CPC for KW phrases change over time. So I'd hate to do a bunch of research in advance on a niche and then find out 2 or 3 months later when I'm ready to actually build a site around them that 1/2 the KW phrases are no longer profitable.

The point of that is, given that strategy, it would make more sense (for me) to buy KW Country or WordTracker for an entire year and be able to use it whenever I'm ready than to buy it one month at a time in the hope that I will only need it for 6 months out of the year (6 x $75 = $450; so by month 7, the $500/year deal is better).

Anyway, given your enthusiasm for KW Country, what I've seen on their site, and Sydney's upbeat comments about it this evening during the Town Meeting, I might go ahead and bite the bullet on the purchase once I'm ready again to do more searching. Then I'll take advantage of their 30-day money back offer, hammer away at it for 29 days, and request a refund if I don't see the benefit over WordTracker (which I've already paid for a year...).

Thanks again!

[Aotearoa]

Hi Mike

I was on the meeting today - but i wasn't able to speak for some reason - i missed the first 15 minutes which is where they probably explained the muting procedure - but it was a pain as i wanted to comment when you were speaking - do you know how to unmute on that webinar?

Anyway it was good to hear Sydney give KC such a glowing image - i feel it is well worth trying.

I am going to spend the rest of the day reading more about how to get the best out of it. if i come across anything useful - i'll leave it here on the forum.

BTW - congatulations - your fishing site's very cool.

Best
brett

[mfoster7]

Thanks Brett for your kind words on the fishing site. When I said to Sydney last evening that I "stole it" from her, I really did build the structure closely around what I saw in her Asthma and Homeschool sites. :-)

I'm going to spend some time today making a final decision on which company to go with for reseller/VPS hosting, and I have articles coming in from writers that I need to verify. So I don't think I'll be ready (psychologically) for yet another expensive purchase quite yet. I think once I'm ready to focus back on KW research over a month's period, I'll take the $500 plunge and try out KC firsthand. If I like it, I just wish WordTracker had some sort of pro-rated refund policy. They're not cheap either...

In the meantime, if you have other tips on its use and can share them with the forum, that would be great. Your feedback can at least help anyone else considering KC to know what we'd be getting for the money and - perhaps more importantly - how best to determine a rough equivalent of Sydney's Triple Crown keywords when using KC instead of WordTracker.

Thanks again.